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"I used to roll the dice, see the fear in my enemies' eyes..."
I'm excited, are you? 
15th-Aug-2007 01:45 am
So, today a book arrived for me- Lords of Madness. I got it for like $10 on Amazon, used (but pristine).

In terms of Books of Evil Shit that now puts us up to:

The Book of Vile Darkness
Fiend Folio
Libris Mortis
Fiendish Codex I: Hordes of the Abyss
Fiendish Codex II: Tyrants of the 9 Hells
Heroes of Horror
Lords of Madness

Of course, two more Evil-specific books are coming out this year (Exemplars of Evil, and Elder Evils) but, that's besides the point.

I think, aside from those yet unreleased, that just leaves Drow of the Underdark for Evil-Specific Sourcebooks. I'm excluding the numerous catalog of Dragons books (Draconomicon, Dragon Magic, Races of the Dragon)... well, because I don't give a shit about dragons. On the whole, I find 'em pretty stupid. Evil Outsiders= way cooler.

And yes, I understand that the game is Dungeons and Dragons. It (should) be Dungeons and Demons as Demons are the most prevalent of the foes, simply because there are waaaaay more things you can do with them then keep making colors of Dragons.

Ha, I just had to stop there so that I could update the Wikipedia article about D&D books (they were missing that last few Complete books, Heroes of Horror, and both Fiendish Codices.

Personally, as a Planar History n00b, I'm enjoying learning more and more about the Start of the Great Wheel (Aboleths= here before the gods) and its end, as well (Mindflayers= here after everyone else). And I admit, having taken both vertebrate and invertebrate zoology courses, seeing cross-sections and diagrams of abberation physiology is strangely amusing.
15th-Aug-2007 10:24 am (UTC)
Mindflayers are here after everyone else? What book gets into the future of the great wheel?
15th-Aug-2007 03:09 pm (UTC) - Ahh, you were uanware!
I'd heard this before, when I read about previous editions' stuff, but:

Mindflayers are from the friggin future. They're from the very _end_ of the universe. And, it's actually heavily implied in other sources that mindflayers are actually just _humans_. That is to say, humans eventually evolved into the 'flayers.

When their world, that is to say, the material plane, got too fucked up, the flayers piled into their spaceships (Spelljammers, as in the campaign setting) and rather than flying through space, they went through _time_. They did it by destroying a bunch of their Elder Brains, and using the released (massive) amounts of pscionic energy to do it.

Then, they wound up in the past and conquered our shit (_all_ of it. Their empire expanded so much that the Demons and the Devils stopped warring and considered joining up to go fuck up the mind flayers). About 2,000 years "ago" (that is, 2,000 years before the "current" greyhawk time) the Githyanki and Githzerai revolted against their rule and broke up their empire.

Not that the mindflayers particularly care, since they're well aware that they're rule the earth again... if they're patient enough to wait...
15th-Aug-2007 04:19 pm (UTC) - Re: Ahh, you were uanware!
That's awesome. It's like the Terminator, but mindflayers. I wonder if they came back to save their own future/present, and did or have they suceeded and are now just hanging out waiting for everything to fall into place?

15th-Aug-2007 05:57 pm (UTC) - Re: Ahh, you were uanware!
It's implied that they can't just _do nothing_, cuz there's evidence that people like Githyanki/Githzerai could kill them all. But, there is some very Terminator like paradox stuff where, the Mindflayers make stuff (in the past/present) that is instrumental in their victories in the future.

The prevailing 'Flayer attitude is "okay, we fucked up the first time... let's try and fix that, this time..."

I've find some of the coolest stuff is the aboleths- they're probably the oldest race in the material plane (older than Archfiends, who are older than the Gods). Aboleths are functionally immortal, and they have very, very extensive racial memories. That is, any aboleth has available to him all of the memories of every aboleth ancestor he had.

What's so cool is that aboleths are afraid of mindflayers- aboleths can always roll back their great-great-great-great grandaddy's memories and go, "Oh, fuck it, that dude is just a punk, no big deal." Except, with Mindflayers, there is no memory of them. To the Aboleths, the mindflayers just _appeared_ out of nowhere- and to them, that's fucking scary.

Even funner, is that there is some light implication that aboleths have a role in creating the mindflayers...

So the "book ends of the universe" (Aboleths at one end, Mindflayers at the other") are all freaked out by each other.
15th-Aug-2007 03:30 pm (UTC)
I was trying to get a hold of you to ask you something about Sultar.

How do you think people were allowed to enter Sultar? Do you think there was a big system or not?
15th-Aug-2007 04:03 pm (UTC) - Sultar goings...
I always figured that, when it came to the out ring, they were pretty come-as-you-please. Something like, to enter the main gates, you just had to be checked in by a card (maybe they Detect Magic on you, or something of that nature, but in any event, they just pretty much let you in, and tell you any big no-no's.) Sultar being a big city, which means big shipping, would be harmed by having too rigorous an entrance-policy. Maybe even just _tolls_ to get in?

But, for the other rings, I'd imagine they had a fairly complex system of entrance. Maybe some kind of diviniation or even a hearing ("why do you want into the next ring?") with passes and surveillence as to how many people are in them at any given time.
15th-Aug-2007 10:39 pm (UTC)
having not taken either vertebrate or invertebrate zoology courses, seeing cross-sections and diagrams of abberation physiology still sounds like ridiculously entertaining times.
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